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RN Destroyer Classes: Battle Class (1943 -47)

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RN Destroyer Classes: Battle Class (1943 -47)

Postby Centurian on Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:11 pm

The Battle class were built in three batches under the 1942 43 & 44 Naval Estimates

.... and went into service with the RN and RAN. Only some details shown below as quite a complex history for these ships.

Names were used which commemorated great Naval Battles of the Royal Navy in order to project confidence worldwide as WWII looked to be on course for a home win, but, the course of the War showed they were not required in the numbers originally thought, and the latter two modified batches were reduced in size considerably. Of the 7 ships commissioned before the end of WWII, only HMS Barfleur saw action (in the Pacific), the rest generally being used for ‘showing the flag’ after WWII. Many more ordered were cancelled and 4 scrapped after launch.

Considerably larger than the standard fleet destroyer, these ships had been intended as replacements for the Tribal class which had suffered heavy losses and upgraded AA armament with overlapping fire arcs was introduced with high angles of fire. Typical layout included a lattice foremast was fitted with Type 293 target indicators; the Type 291 & type 275 fire control on Mk VI director on main mast. The twin 40/60mm guns had Hazemeyer mountings to aid high angle firing and type 282 radar.

HMS’s Barfleur, Armada, Trafalgar, Camperdown, Hogue & Lagos were fitted with the gun a 4” gun abaft the funnel, all others having two single 40/60 mm Mk VII instead, giving a total of 14 Bofors; the heaviest light AA armament of any British destroyer.. Eventually all of the Battles had the 4” replaced. Second Flotilla ships had the Hazemeyer replaced by an improved Admiralty designed stabilizer. There are several other design changes for those interested. Many were delayed by lack of Director and Fire Control systems being delivered to the Builders yards. These ships had the ‘flawed’ two machinery space J class layout rather than three.

HMS’s Mons, Omdurman, Somme, River Plate. St. Lucia, San Domingo and Waterloo, were broken up on the slipway, and Belle Isle, Navarino, Poictiers, Talavera and Trincomalee were scrapped immediately upon launching; Albuera, Jutland, Namur and Oudenarde were laid up with the idea of completing them later but were eventually scrapped.

The four ships chosen for conversion were Agincourt, Aisne, Barrosa and Corunna were eventually changed to Air Direction Frigates as the type 61’s were found to be too slow to keep up with carriers.

Royal Navy Battle class only listed here;

Built by Hawthorn Leslies Hebburn Tyne (See also thread named A Christmas Diversion)

HMS Agincourt (D86) lcd 29 jan 45 Comm 25 June 47: leader of 4th Destroyer Flotilla Home Fleet. Conversion to radar picket 1959.

HMS Armada (D14) lcd 9 Dec 43 comm 2 July 45: 19th Destroyer Flotilla, eventually leader 3rd Destroyer Flotilla in Home Fleet [below]

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HMS Solebay (D70) lcd 22 Feb 44 comm 25 Sept 45: 1st Flotilla leader. Took part in large scale sinkings of German U boat fleet; Escort to HMY Brittania during West Africa tour.

HMS Saintes (D84) lcd 19 July 44 comm 27 Sept 46: 5th Flotilla trailed new twin turret 4.5” guns: as 3rd flotilla leader rescued Empire Windrush troopship survivors. Sank HMS Buccaneer by mistake.

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HMS Jutland (name switched to another later battle at Stephens Yard lcd 2 Nov 45; then used solely as a trail hull before scrapping.

Built by Vickers Armstrong Naval Yard Tyne

HMS Aisne (D22) lcd 12 May 45 comm 20 march 47; 1st RN Warship launched after VE Day. Conversion to radar picket 1959.
(see excellent model by Geoff on here).

Built by Browns Clydebank

HMS Alamien (D17) lcd 17 Jan 45 comm 14 Feb 47:

HMS Barrosa (D68) lcd 17 Jan 45 comm 14 Feb 47: 4th Flotilla: converted to radar picket 1959

HMS Matapan (D43) lcd 30 April 45 comm 5 Sept 47: Immediately reserved and eventually converted to a Sonar Trails Ship, finally seeing active service in 1973. As such her appearance is radically different from othe Battle class ships. [below]

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Built by Swan Hunter Wigham Richardson Tyne

HMS Corunna (D97) lcd 29 May 45 comm 6 June 47 Conversion to radar picket 1959

HMS St Kitts (D18) lcd 4 Oct 44 comm 21 Jan 46: 1st & 3rd Flotillas: Bombarded Port Said 1955 Suez Crisis.

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Built at Swan Hunter Wallsend Yard, Tyne

HMS Barfleur (D80) lcd 1 Nov 43 comm 14 Sept 44: Only Battle class to see action during WWII Pacific Theatre: Flotilla leader in Mediterranean with 3rd Flotilla: Also Suez crisis.

HMS Gabbard (D47) lcd 16 March 45 comm10 Dec 46: 5th Flotilla Home and Med; In 1957. Sold to the Pakistani Navy and renamed Badr. In 1971, Badr seriously damaged during Indian pakistani war.

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HMS Trafalgar (D77) lcd 12 Jan 44 comm 23 july 45: served with 19th then leader for 7th Flotilla: rammed HMS Solebay. [below* Underway on Tyne 8 September 1945 –the Gas tank should be a giveaway to the position.]

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Built by Fairfields

HMS Cadiz (D79) lcd 16 Dec 44 comm 12 April 46; 5th Flotilla; Then sold to Pakistan in 1956 and renamed PNS Khaibar; Sunk off Karachi by the Indian Navy missile boat, INS Nirghat (K89) during the Indo-Pakistan War of 1971.

HMS Camperdown (D32) lcd 8 Feb 44 comm 18 June 45: Served with 1st 3rd & 19th Flotillas. Rammed by HMS Coreopsis (Flower corvette) in Plymouth Harbour 1953

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Built by A. Stephens

HMS Dunkirk (D09) lcd 27 Aug 45 comm 27 Nov 46: 4th & 7th Flotillas

HMS Jutland (D62) Originally Jutland was launched at Hawthorn Leslies on 2 Nov 1945, but the hull was only used for trials during 1947, before being scrapped, her sistership Malplaquet, at Stephens was subsequently renamed Jutland. Her details are; lcd 20 Feb 46 comm 30 July 47: 4th & 7th Flotillas.

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Built by Fairfields Govan

HMS Finisterre (D55) lcd 22 June 44 comm11 Sept 45: Saw service in Far East, Med and Home fleets.[below]

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HMS St James (D65) lcd 7 June 45 comm 12 July 46: 5th Flotilla; Note*: Not named after the Geordies usual match day barnies with the Mackems [below]

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HMS Vigo (D31) lcd 27 Sept 45 comm 9 Dec 46: 3rd Flotilla off Egypt during early 50’s; leader Portsmouth Squadron.

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Built at Cammell Laird Birkenhead

HMS Gravelines (D24) lcd 20 Nov 44 comm 14 June 46 : 3rd Flotilla

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HMS Hogue (D74) lcd 21 April 44 comm 24 July 45: served with 19th & 1st Flotillas: involved in First Icelandic Cod War; rammed by INS Mysore on 25 Aug 59 with loss of one man, three wounded.

HMS Lagos (D44) lcd 4 Aug 44 comm 2 Nov 45: 19th & 1st Flottillas

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HMS Sluvs (D60) lcd unknown comm unknown: Service history unknown.
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Re: RN Destroyer Classes: Battle Class (1943 -47)

Postby Pugwash on Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:12 am

Slightly biased but my favourite class of wartime destroyer

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Re: RN Destroyer Classes: Battle Class (1943 -47)

Postby AdmiralOgle on Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:49 am

Reading through the literature on these Geoff, I was amazed at how many of them rammed into each other in harbour. It gave the impression they weren't that agile at low speed. (there were so many I left most of them out). I suspect you know quite a bit about these having built Aisne ;)
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Re: RN Destroyer Classes: Battle Class (1943 -47)

Postby Pugwash on Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:17 pm

There do appear to be quite a few harbour mishaps but as they were the backbone of the post war destroyers they were the ones
putting in the miles. Several of these harbour bumps were in Sliema Creek Malta which is not the easiest to maonoeuvre in,
and a lot seemed to involve Trafalgar and Jutland. The most costly harbour collision was when the Flower Class Coreopsis hit Camperdown (anchored)
while Coreopsis was taking the part of HMS Compass Rose and filming the Cruel Sea (who paid for the damage the film company or the Admiralty??)
Two most serious at sea were Corruna and Barrosa in the Bay of Biscay and INS Mysore and Hogue (1 dead and the bows ripped off back to A turret.
she was then towed to Singapore and scrappped there and then.
Both these two were during night exercises with Darken ship and radar silence but that is the price of trying to make exercises realistic
There were plenty of other incidents like St James sinking the tug Buccaneer with a shell from the 4.5 and another when during a firing exercise
of B turret the turret wall cracked (probably caused by poor wartime quality metal) and when examined by the armourers from Vickers they thought
the turret would have probably gone over the side with a few more shots (presumable it would have taken the gunhouse crew with it)
another were a shell exloded prematurely and peeled the barrel back so they went in to Malta and made a wooden barrel to fit and then continued
to join the British Pacific fleet for the Japanese final surrender
With 24 ships probably averaging about 10 yrs in service(some many more) it's prabably a average amount of knocks and bumps.
By coincidence watched the Cruel Sea last night with Sheila - it was the first film we had both seen as kids.

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Re: RN Destroyer Classes: Battle Class (1943 -47)

Postby AdmiralOgle on Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:14 am

Where did you get your plan for HMS Aisne Geoff?
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Re: RN Destroyer Classes: Battle Class (1943 -47)

Postby Pugwash on Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:55 am

Bryan I got a basic plan from the NMM but it was only of the ship as built in 1945 they apparently have no plans
in their vast archives of any of the 4 that were converted so I got the plans and as many photos/books as I could find
and drew my own plans - I had a spare copy which I sent up to Glasgow (I think to Gingyer) - I probably still have the
originals squirrelled away somewhere if they are needed.
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Re: RN Destroyer Classes: Battle Class (1943 -47)

Postby paulswainson on Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:22 pm

Hi Would you be able to let me have a copy of the plans you have for the battle class destroyer 1943 to 1947 as I an building HMS Solebay for that age. Paul
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Re: RN Destroyer Classes: Battle Class (1943 -47)

Postby Pugwash on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:33 am

Paul sorry I can't help you with "as built" plans as I only got a copy of the intended plans for the conversions to AD pickets and they were
absolutely rubbish - the only thing that was to scale was the hull - the rest of the drawings were for instance a square roughly where the 965
radar was going to be sited and rough outlines of where the new lattice masts would be. When you compared these ( I think they called them
statements of intent or something and they are now stored in the loft) I realised that they had obviously had a rethink as they did not tie in with the
ships photographs after the refits. The only two copies of my plans both went up to Glasgow modellers and obviously were (a) plans of after the refit
and (b) of a 1943 Battle which was different from Solebay.
If I remember rightly the Deansmarine plans had the lines printed out about 1mm wide - well at 1/96 1mm is almost 4inches so if you cut them down the
centre of the line you will only be 2inches out. The other option is to redraw the lines over the top of the existing lines with a fine indelible pen
of about .2mm tip (available from really good stationers) That was what I drew my plans with.Try and compare them with some of the measurements from
the Deans plans so you know some of them are correct and if they are inside or outside the line draw the rest the same. Hope that makes sense
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Re: RN Destroyer Classes: Battle Class (1943 -47)

Postby paulswainson on Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:18 pm

Thanks for that Geoff, Paul
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Re: RN Destroyer Classes: Battle Class (1943 -47)

Postby paulswainson on Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:51 pm

Well gents I have just about completed my build of HMS Solebay and I enclose the link to my photo stream. Also I have a photo stream of the ship yard of HMS Finisterre which I used as a refer point.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/92998762@N02/sets/72157632709296137/ This is for Solebay build.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/92998762@N02/sets/72157632741849645/ This is for the Finisterre

As this is my third build I hope you like.
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